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Is this an error or a mule on a National?  My Salem, OH FNB Ch. # (M)43 Fr. 650 Lyons | Roberts SN 5227/V967961B pp A/315 PMG 30EPQ beautiful signatures by Cashier Church and Pres. Pow dated Apr 11, 1902.  Much more common with Speelman | White signatures as a plain back.  The back plate is 315.  Notes from this bank dated Apr 10, 1922 carry the Speelman | White signatures and $20s have known back plate numbers of 722 and 1018 (see below)

Fr. 661 SN 1481/Y322423E pp A/722
Fr. 661 SN 5147/Z451299H pp A bp not listed in census
Fr. 650 SN 5227/V967961B pp A/315
Fr. 661 SN 8430 pp A/1018

Since all the $20 examples are from the A plate, and $10s are from an A or C plate, I suspect sheets of 3 $10s and 1 $20 were ordered (see Heritage's Auction archives).  The low back plate number (315) is probably meaningless.  The bank SN of 5227 comes between 5147 and 8430, so I suspect the old plate with Lyons | Roberts signatures used for date backs was mistakenly placed back into service as more plain backs were printed.  Since I don't have access to a current National Bank Note Census, I don't know if there are any other plain backs known for Ch. 43 with Lyons | Roberts signatures.

You should be able to see my set of OH nationals here:  https://notes.www.collectors-society.com/registry/notes/MySets_Listing.aspx?PeopleSetID=16150&SelectedTab=SetListing

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Replacement signature set and nary a star

You won't find stars on National bank notes to signify a replacement.  This set has a few large and a few small examples.  It's all about paged serial numbers and detecting them from normal production numbering.  See if you can see what makes these notes replacements.   
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Variety--it's what I crave and this $20 Brown Back Fr. 494 delivers

Saint Paul, MN The National German American Bank of St. Paul, Ch. # 2943 VAR 2 Battle of Lexington vignette (On Holder) PMG 15 $20 1882 BB Fr. 494 SN 2302/E512790 pp A/2 dtd. May 9th, 1883 Proof certified May 21, 1883. Large only bank with two $10BBs and this $20BB.  Paper with 2 continuous horizontal threads and Variety 2 vignette.  Vertical charter numbers were used up until September of 1890 and the mid way point of the E-block SN indicates an 1891 production date consistent with signatures o
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Clearfield County National Bank Robbed

Incorporated in 1840, Clearfield is a borough in and the county seat of Clearfield County, Pennsylvania. As of the 2010 census the population was 6,215 people making it the second most populous community in Clearfield County behind DuBois. On the night of May 12, 1869, the County National Bank of Clearfield was broken into, the door of the safe ripped open, and $15,000 in currency and $4,500 in U.S. Bonds taken.  This story is pieced together from newspaper articles of the time. Note that s
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Dating a rare $50 Series of 1902 Date Back Replacement

A recent Replacement note find by a friend at the Higgins Museum located in Okoboji, IA on Fall River, MA Series 1902 $50 Date Back SN 247/A147633 pp C prompted this work.  Stars of course were NOT used on national bank notes.  You have to find notes produced with old paging machine numbering technology to identify these large size national bank note replacements.  For some examples see my signature set:  My goal was to narrow down on the production date for this, and any Series of 1902 $50
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Why are prefixes and suffixes used and when did this first begin?

The use of prefixes actually predates their recognition as security enhancements implemented in 1869 on original series notes. Here's the story created with much help from Huntoon... The treasury sheet SNs and seals were overprinted on Original Series notes at the forerunner to the BEP at the Treasury Dept. Building in Washington. Bank sheet SNs were printed by the bank note companies prior to delivery to the Treasury Dept. Once the first million serials were consumed, treasury switched from red
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What do you call the right delimiter on the treasury SN for a series of 1902 Date Back or Plain Back?

What do you call the right delimiter on the treasury SN for a series of 1902 Date Back or Plain Back?  They look like right-looking eyes to me or I've also heard chicken foot.  Here's my latest collage on the variability of those eyes (or feet), basically from about 1908 through to 1925.  Oh, a useful piece of info is that series of 1902 red seals used a different delimiter and the highest treasury SN on a 4x$10 plate was Y608545... my Warren note shown last in the collage has Y576088. Most
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Another Small Size National Set for MA

It's been awhile since I've created any new sets for Nationals.  I'd like to say, I need room to post at least one more picture.  I have tried to standardize in the past decade or so to post a front and a back in their proper slots.  It makes for a neat looking collection.  So here's that new collection--not terribly impressive and that's why I haven't had a MA set in the past.   I just recently added the note on The Second NB of Malden, MA (11014) because it's a fairly tough to find variet
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Citizens United

What do Ontario, CA and Glasgow, KY and Warren, PA have in common?  Those are three towns of many that had National Banks with "Citizens" in their titles.  David Wooster, a general in the American Revolutionary War has at least one municipality named in his honor.  What state is it in?  By the way, it had a Citizens NB and the note I have posted there happens to have a nice radar serial number.  Keene, right?  Yep, it had a Citizens NB and was one of the first banks to have BEP produced plates w
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Christmas Tree National

Here's my card to all here on collectors society.  Indiana, PA The FNB Ch. # 313 J.R. Daugherty and J.P. Blain Strong stamped signatures PMG 30EPQ $10 1902 PB Fr. 624 SN 44344 pp J/995 dtd. Feb. 25, 1903 radar SN and Charter #. Earliest of 3 National banks located here. Indiana is a borough in and the county seat of Indiana County. The borough and the region as a whole promotes itself as the "Christmas Tree Capital of the World" because the national Christmas Tree Grower's Association was founde
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Disney sets need more collectors

There are 18 Disney dollar competitive sets, only 3 of which are in use for a total of 25 registered sets.  For Large Size National Bank Notes there are 6 competitive sets, all are used for a total of 176 registered sets.  For Small Size National Bank Notes, there are two competitive sets, both are used with a total of 141 registered sets.  Can't NBN collectors get as many competitive sets as the Disney dollar collector?  Or at least a few type sets like the Wavin' Mickey or Proud Goofy?  Disney
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Reconvening the 252 club

Last journal entry was about my two submissions sent the end of July.  The Economy submission I've rec'd and have been posting notes to my various sets.  The bulk submission is still sitting in Sarasota since August 3rd.  It has my $5 Series of 1902 Plain Back on Pittsburgh, PA The First NB at Ch. # 252 (along with 49 other notes :-(.  I added this small size NBN on 252 yesterday.  Great SN (D060000A) and a small size replacement note to boot!  Signatures are those of long-serving cashier C.C. T
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Rec'd at PMG, the wait begins.

I just sent a good chunk of my NBNs to PMG to grade.  The post office sure took it's time, but got my package there in 8 days instead of 4.  PMG listed as received about a week after it arrived in Sarasota.   Here's one of the notes awaiting scrutiny.  I can't wait to add it to one of my series of 1882 collections here.  Connellsville, PA The First NB (E)2329 Radar Treasury SN on a $10 1882 VB Fr. 576 Tillman | Morgan SN 9076/T493394 pp F/118.  Love that SN especially on an early value back
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New Competitive Sets for Nationals Needed! Demand one Today!

OK, I'm bored with 20 odd 'series of 1902 type' sets for my Nationals.  I've asked for some more sets, but the response was 'no sets for you...'  So, bored as I might be, I created my Series of 1902 Lowball Set.  Check it out:  See if you can get lower than my score of 1082 for 3 notes, or an average of 360.67 pts/note.  You know the sad thing is my Tennessee set beats my Lowball set with 3 notes, 763 pts and an ave. of 254.33 pts/note, but that's because of net grades receiving just half poi
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Arkansas National Bank notes with low back plate numbers

I found an odd block letter combo on the treasury serial number when compared to the back plate number and Fr. number for my Paris, AR The First NB Ch. # (S)11592 PMG 20 $10 1902 PB Fr. 633 SN 2200/U55355 pp B/96 dated Jan. 20, 1920.  That BP # could be a 98, but definitely just two digits.  The back plate number and U- Block SN seemed way too low for a Fr. 633 plain back.  Of my other Eliott | Burke notes, the lowest BP was 651 with an RE Block combo.  So I checked my Kelly reference for Arkans
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Pi Day has come and gone, but this post on National Bank Notes is here to stay!

Pi Day #piday is of course March 14th (or 3.14 [3/14], or “π”) followed shortly by the Whitman Coin Show in Baltimore and Spring!  I've been busy making a sub type signature set of my series 1882 Nationals.   My 1882 sub types set is a work in progress.  Ever seen the Circus Poster variety on a $5 Brown Back??  Take a look.  If I'm missing a better way to designate these notes, please let me know. OK, back to Pi Day.  Check out this Elk City note from Oklahoma with a charter date of...
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Seasons Greetings with an appropriate National

Tis the season to share a national.  My first thought was to post a pic on one with a 25 December charter date, but alas, I don't have one.  So let me know if this one makes for a good seasonal journal entry.  I think it might even with a December 10, 1908 charter.  And feel free to add on.  Happy Holidays!
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A Keene National

I recently added this note, Keene, NH The Citizens NB Ch. # 2299 PMG 25 Net, $10 1875 Fr. 416 Allison | New SN 2690/K296099 pp A. dtd. Sept. 25th, 1875, from the Sept. 2019 Long Beach Expo.  It was Net grade for a repair and minor discoloration. It features a fancy title layout seen on few First Charter examples from all banks combined.  It's a great looking addition [however, not so great for points :-( ] to my type set of 1875 (see:  https://notes.www.collectors-society.com/registry/notes/SetG
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Back plate numbers shouldn't be reused and t's should be crossed

Marietta, OH The Central NB Ch. # 5212 VF+ $10 1902 PB Fr. 632 SN 27286 pp D/992 May 29, 1919. A number of Second Charter notes survive bearing the bank's original German NB title. The title was changed due to World War I with the second title "The Central NB" found on Third Charter notes and those notes are somewhat tough to find with prices reflecting this fact. This pristine Very Fine example has wide margins and nice embossing. Philadelphia, PA The Quaker City NB Ch. # 4050 Fine $10 190
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A PMG Grading Kanban

In Japanese, a Kanban (看板)  is a signboard or billboard, but in lean manufacturing a Kanban is a scheduling system.  Submissions at PMG start out in a Received Status.  Then your notes move into a dreaded state, "scheduled for grading"; a purgatory for notes. You you eagerly await a status of Quality Control--if you're like me, you start checking every day after about 30 days.  Where are my notes submitted last October?  Purgatory.  Quality control means the notes made it to the end of the queue
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Salem, OH Charter 43 sequential serial numbers

I've managed to reunite an interesting pair of $20 Plain Backs from Salem, OH, Charter 43.  Both were acquired in Baltimore from different dealers about 6 months apart.  So far these are the only two PBs with Lyons | Roberts signature combinations or Fr. 650 and dated Apr. 11, 1902 just like charter 43 date backs.  Other $20 PBs that I can find have Speelman | White signatures or Fr. 635 and are dated Apr 10, 1922 (note:  Track and Price doesn't identify the Fr. #).  The Serial numbers are 5226/
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Oswego County, NY Nationals

By accident, I've become of fan of these small towns along I-81! Just added an 1882 Value Back $20 from Mexico, NY. It joins my Albion, NY notes. Albion is England and Mexico is typically known for its beaches and sun, not so much for its lakes. Look for these town names when you are on I-81, but don't blink! Notes are in my Signature set of Nationals along with a few better PA notes. I'd love to add other Mexico NY (and other states) nationals to my collection. H
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Nationals Submitted on my 5 free grading coupon

Two first name PA notes, one with the tougher Napier-Thompson signatures. Two tough 1929 $5 notes from my parents and one $10 I accidentally won at auction. The accidental auction win was one of those internet delays and my bid was stacked on top of a number of others and mine came out on top--a couple hundred more that I expected to pay. Still it's a tough National out of Albion, New York where small size notes are outnumbered by the known large size notes (any West Bromwich fans?). The Fi
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