Fenntucky Mike

On 3/1/2024 at 10:42 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Really ?  Saved ?  I haven't seen them for sale, but maybe they are treated like family heirlooms and come up for sale only every now and then.

For National Bank Notes I see serial number 1's more often than you would expect and I don't really collect U.S. notes so I'm guessing the frequency at which they show up is even greater than I imagine. HA just had an auction a few months back where there were four serial number 1 NBN's in the auction, I only looked at the Michigan NBN's (4 of 17 were S# 1's) so I imagine there were several more in the auction for other regions. 

On 3/1/2024 at 10:42 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

So you -- and other currency experts -- believed that the super-low numbers for Light Green, Dark Green, Red, Gold Certificate, Silver Certificate, and Large Denomination regular bills -- are out there still...preserved ? 

Based on what I've seen, yes. Not all, but more than you would think.

On 3/1/2024 at 10:45 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Good website....was able to quickly see that for the $500 and $1,000 bills you had tens of thousands printed for the most part....but for the $5,000 and $10,000 bills it was thousands.  

It's a pretty good site for U.S. collectors, a little difficult to navigate at first but once you get used to it and find all of the different pages with information it's pretty sweet. Don't remember the name of the person who put it all together but they did a pretty good job on probably no budget. 

On 3/1/2024 at 9:58 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Wow...BILLIONS ?   Didn't realize that many.  I knew the Gold Certificates were printed much less but didn't realize by that much.

 

When I say billions that includes all notes printed within a series and multiple series. Series 1935A and D silver certificates come to mind where there were just tons of them printed.

Here is a link to a table for the 1935 series notes. http://www.uspapermoney.info/serials/s1935zs.html#1935A

Small size silver certificates, I'm assuming that's what the guy had, in circulated condition are basically worth face value or maybe +$1 over face, they were heavily saved and billions printed. There are a few rare types but for the most part they are common as dirt and readily available. 

I think there are quite a few coin types with the same issue, maybe not as bad as small size SC's, circulated to low mint state coins from the early to mid 20th century don't typically bring much of a premium unless they are a rare variety, error, or have an exceptionally low mintage/survival rate.

On 2/29/2024 at 9:12 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Don't forget trimming of bills at the edges.....they've done that with baseball cards for decades. 

True, but while frowned upon the trimming of bills seems to be a somewhat accepted practice, especially for older notes which were cut from sheets by hand at the bank of issue. TPG's will also straight grade modern notes from uncut sheets sold by the BEP. Manmade errors from uncut sheets are a no no and will be noted on the holder. They are pretty few and far between but I have seen notes with "Trimmed" noted on the holder, the notes were still straight graded. As long as it is not painfully obvious that a note was trimmed, it is usually pass through without notation from what I've seen. 

On 2/29/2024 at 8:19 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

"Who Mourns for Adoanis ?" with the lovely (and still alive !!) Leslie Parrish. 

That's the one.

I remember Leslie Parrish more for the Manchurian Candidate than this episode of Star Trek, either way.   I'm not sure which role she played first.

On 2/29/2024 at 8:17 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

I always wondered for those pricey bills and/or Gold/Silver Certificates (esp. large denominations)....who got the super-low numbers ?  What happened to them ? 

Can't believe they were spent ! 

Actually quite a few were saved.  For old NBN, they were cut from sheets at the distributing bank and a lot of the S# 1's were saved by the bank or the bank president or teller. For modern notes it's kind of similar to coins where distributers for the Fed Banks will cherry pick the fancy numbers and start notes. It's probably easier in some ways to cherry pick notes than coins, at any rate, there are plenty of fancy # notes and star notes in high grades to go around.

On 2/29/2024 at 3:24 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

I have this radar note.  Bought it a few years ago when I was on a "currency kick" ....not sure it's worth much, I think I only paid like $50 or something like that.

Nice note, I've only purchased a graded fancy number note twice if I remember correctly but I have gobs of raw fancy number notes. Most fancy numbers can be bought at reasonable prices, except for solid and low numbers (10 and lower), 100-11 S#'s bring strong prices for U.S. notes and 10000000, 20000000, 30000000, etc., numbers as well. 

On 2/29/2024 at 3:31 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Is that Tito on the Yugoslavian bill ?  I would think he would be on the currency, not a central bank person unless it was an ally or family member.

According to the Standard Catalog of World Paper money Djura Jaksich is on the 5,000,000,000 Dinara note and Joseph Panchic is on the 10 Dinara. I don't know if either of them are connected to Tito. 

On 2/29/2024 at 3:33 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Mike, how did you get interested in obscure European/Yugoslavian currency ?

Where did you find these -- a specialist ?

The break up of the USSR and Yugoslavia followed by the formation of all the newly independent countries always interested me, once Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula I really dived into the notes and coins of these countries and never looked back. I enjoy the artistry, history, workmanship, meanings behind the designs, security features, etc., involved with each note and I suspect most collectors feel the same in the areas they collect. I also enjoy being in a less heavily collected area of numismatics as it allows me to pick up unique or scare notes I would not have been able to purchase if collecting say U.S. notes. Don't have the budget and being in the U.S. I'm overexposed to these and it has turned me off to most notes and coins U.S. related. I've got room to stretch my legs in my collecting areas and can put together a really awesome collection I would not have been able to do otherwise. 

I pick up notes mainly online, over time you make connections and are able to put together something really special. I pick up a majority of my notes overseas either through individual sellers I've met online or through auctions. Believe it or not a lot of good material ends up on ebay as well. Excellent place to look for world notes at decent prices.

On 2/29/2024 at 3:30 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

They should call this the Fentucky Mike Forums !! 

This cracked me up.

On 2/29/2024 at 3:30 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

This isn't a recent purchase but it is the nicest note I have, probably the most valuable.  Bought it pre-Covid and I remember going back-and-forth forever about whether I should pay the extra $$$ for it or get 95% of the value for 60% of the cost with another.  I paid up....glad I did....probably would have blown the difference on more Super Bowl square boxes or March Madness pools. 

I may have posted this (and others) in past years in these forums, if so, bear with me.  I disappear from this section for months at a time (years ?) and I really should check in more often, especially when the NGC Coin Forums are quiet.

 

I love this note! I've seen you post it before and I'm amazed by it every time.

On 2/29/2024 at 3:39 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

There were plenty of bonds issued by the railroads, lots of them preserved so they can utilize them at low cost for items like the money clip.

I love the artistry of the vignettes, scroll work, fonts, etc., on bond and stock certificates so that is the main reason I pick some of these up. I wanted to be in a niche collecting area so I went with trying to pick up mostly specimens, I also chose specimens because actual bonds will often have cancellation perforations going through the design and are missing most if not all of the coupons. I stick with Michigan themed pieces mostly, and who doesn't love trains, so I have a lot of railroad pieces.

On 2/29/2024 at 4:13 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

I think grading bills/currency from pics might be harder than coins.

It is, WAY harder. Side lighting is a must to properly grade a note, along with actually handling it to determine embossing, quality of paper, etc... I've done most of my buying online and have had good luck so far even though I'm not seeing the note in person. 

On 2/29/2024 at 3:57 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

I'm not as familiar with the net grading thing and currency/bills....for coins, the problem is that deliberately or accidentally they were wiped/cleaned years or decades ago.  You don't really have to worry about that with currency, right ?

Pressing notes in books, or in other ways, is probably the biggest sin of the past. That is the main reason a lot of older notes that look to be in fabulous condition don't Q. Notes with EPQ or PPQ designations go for much higher sums in most cases. 

On 2/29/2024 at 3:57 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

I think I have read where folks may flatten or even whiten/brighten a bill (not sure how they can do that) but it's probably a more difficult, elaborate process than just dipping a coin and trying to tone it or brighten it, right ?

Stick a note in a book, iron it, etc and you'll flatten the embossing and make the note feel overly stiff, cleaning a note is not necessarily frowned upon if done properly, similarly to coins. A coin will details grade if cleaned, a note will NET grade but I've never seen a note labeled as cleaned on a TPG holder yet.

On 2/29/2024 at 3:47 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

I'm not sure it would be as high as 45, Mike.  I have this note -- which looks MUCH BETTER than the grade given -- but it's only a 45.

 

You could very well be right, and if fact probably are, with all of the soiling on the OP's note it could drop it down to around 30 depending on other condition factors. I must have been in a good mood that day. 

I will also say that your note appears to be in fabulous condition for a 45, under-graded perhaps? PMG didn't give it an EPQ designation so I'll assume that the note was pressed. Fabulous ink on the face of the note. 

This note rounds out my, issued notes, coupon red overprint specimen set of 1991 for Ukraine. I'm still working on the perforated specimens and red overprint font varieties but that's a story for another day. 

On 2/29/2024 at 5:26 AM, Lance A D said:

I know what a radar note is. I've seen Super Radar notes with the 3rd through 6th numbers are the same. Now I've seen a True Radar note where the pre-alpha and post-alpha character is also identical as in E 12344321 E. Is the True Radar note designation recognized? Will PMG label a note as such? Appreciate your thoughts.

PMG will label a radar note with matching block letters as a "radar" not a "true radar". They don't differentiate between radar notes and super radar notes either, nor should they in my opinion. 

On 2/26/2024 at 12:36 AM, Hachiko said:

Does anyone have a list of known VJ Day stamped notes? I have a $2 stamped note and was wondering if there is a list of known notes out there?

I'm assuming that you are talking about a postmarked note, if I'm incorrect on that let me know. 

I hadn't heard of V-J Day postmarked notes before but I imagine that there are quite a few. A quick search popped up several examples on the internet. 

Having notes stamped with a postmark at the post office to commemorate a special occasion was pretty common back in the day. There are gobs of U.S. $2 notes that were posted marked for the bicentennial in '76. There is not a list documenting postmarked notes that I know of, but maybe. Collecting postmarked notes is a niche in paper money collecting, very few people, if any, focus on them as a whole.

I'd love to see a picture of the note if you get a chance to post it.

On 2/23/2024 at 9:43 AM, MJDem said:

Yes they explain 2013B duplicate serial numbers and range also how to identify. So B0567280B should be a star note and should have been destroyed or whatever they do with them. Any B seal new york $1 within serial number B03200000-B09600000 should be a star note. Correct?

When the BEP prints notes, regular and replacement, they number them consecutively and don't tend to skip over large ranges of numbers. I took a look at the BEP production figures for these and it looks like they printed a full range in this block letter 00000001 - 96000000. Replacement (star) notes are either inserted at the time of printing or at the end of a run in packs, the seral numbers on replacement notes do not correlate with the notes they are replacing, meaning they don't use star note 00000100 to replace damaged note 00000100, it's random. Based on that I'd say that it is possible that there are regular series 2013 BB block $1 note out in the wild having serial numbers in those ranges as the duplicated notes. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure this is the case.

On 2/25/2024 at 1:03 PM, Sloiseau said:

On 2/25/2024 at 12:59 PM, Sloiseau said:

I found a 5 dollar bill that was miscut and clearly by the mint and don't know how much it's worth or where to start

Welcome to the Forum.

I tend to think that this did not happen at the BEP. Regardless of how it happened, due to the minor nature of the "cutting error" and condition of the note I'd say it's only worth face value or maybe a few dollars over if you can find a buyer and it is an actual error.

Welcome to the Forum.

My best guess is that it's probably worth around $200 in that condition. It could also be a German forgery, Operation Bernhard, which could affect the value either up or down. It seems down based on what I'm seeing but I'm far from an expert on these.

On 2/23/2024 at 5:54 AM, MJDem said:

A 2013 B should be a star note if the serial # was B05672809 and printed in DC correct? Or did they release non star notes like B05672809B DC note?

Go here for these. https://project2013b.blogspot.com/2021/10/welcome.html

On 2/18/2024 at 9:40 PM, Bearhill said:

Should I get it graded?

Whoa! Nice printed fold error, definitely worth having authenticated. Probably worth around $400.