Fenntucky Mike

On 5/17/2023 at 12:58 PM, Meandyou4ever0 said:

Hey everyone I hope I am posting this where I should be. I received the link for this site through a well known member of Coin Talk. I have a duplicate star note, it was printed at Fort Worth and serial number is B06454362*

I'm hoping to locate the Washington print. 

Click the link below to go to the Project 2013B webpage.

https://project2013b.blogspot.com/2021/10/welcome.html 

Here's the database, no match from what I saw but they can add your note to the list.

https://project2013b.blogspot.com/p/2013bdatabase.html

One of the biggest problems from what I here is actually being able to contact the individual parties when a match is found, then getting the two parties to agree on either giving (buy, sell, trade) one or the other the matching note and/or agreeing to terms to sell the pair.

Good luck. 

On 5/17/2023 at 12:16 PM, XarrrdaS said:

Hi!

Any ideas how much it might be worth and what rating it would get on the PMG scale?

Thanks!

It's really hard to say what this might grade based on those pics but I would guess in the 45 range. Best way to determine value would be to look up recent sales of these at auction, according to Paper Money of the United States it would be in the $300 range but that info is dated. 

On 5/17/2023 at 1:58 AM, JRex said:

Hello,

I do not know if this is an error worthy of sending in, or just something common. Iy looks like the ink from the reverse of a bill is printed on the obverse of this one. I can not find any information online, and would appreciate any insight.

Thank You,

Rex

Looks like a partial offset printing error, very cool.

Sending it in depends. The cost of having just this one note authenticated would probably wipeout most or all profit you would gain from doing so, it's probably worth just under $100. If you had several notes to send in to lower the cost or if you just want to have it authenticated then yes. 

On 5/16/2023 at 7:34 PM, John Naviaux said:

Hopefully not too soon the 6 notes are for my 2 nephews, I jokingly told their mom (my sister) I hope they don't spend it on junk cars or in bars. lol. Thanks again.

 

This hit's home for me as I hope to leave my collections to nieces or nephews who are interested in, or are collectors. If no one is interested in keeping up the collections then...? Tough call right now for me, thankfully I, should , have several more years/decades before I need to make a decision.

Good luck, I hope your nephews hold onto those notes. A great remembrance for them, eventually, many years from now.  

I have so many items of remembrance that I cherish from family members, there is no better gift than the right gift. Whatever that may be. One of my favorites is a Ike silver dollar from my uncle Mike, pretty much worthless ($1) but priceless to me.

On 5/16/2023 at 11:22 AM, John Naviaux said:

Hi. I'm just an old guy with 6 notes I submitted to PMG for their professional grading service, and have a few questions about the grading information description. If the Seal Type: Green -does this mean "light green" that I've noticed listed in the descriptions of some on auction? And one I submitted is Seal Type: DGS Mule -what does this mean? Concerning the 1934 series of $500 & $1000 how many seal types are there? Of my 6 submissions a $1000 St. Louis DGS Mule is the most intriguing, and I'm curious as to how special(?) -or not, this note might be. It's PMG cert. 2188142-004 grade 35. My sincere thanks to a kind, knowledgeable soul who might be able to answer my questions. Thank you.

Welcome to the forum.

DGS = dark green seal

Mule means that the plates used to print the note were not intended or should not have been paired together, usually this is a back plate paired with face plates with different signers or series number. 

I believe there are just the two seal color types light green and dark green. 

The best way to determine value is to search recent auction records (archives) for sold listings of note in similar condition. I took a quick look over at Heritage Auctions and I didn't see really see any good comps, closest I saw was a PMG 25 that sold in 2019 for $1900. Yours is a better looking note, even with the pinholes, and $500 & $1000 notes have been hot for the last year, if I was going to take a wild guess I'd say your note would be in the $2500 range, maybe higher. If you can find some more recent sales those would give you a better idea.

On 5/15/2023 at 1:37 PM, XarrrdaS said:

Hello!

How much is this banknote worth and how do you assess the appearance on the PMG scale?

Thanks a lot!

 

Nice note!

If I was going to guess I would say no better than 40. The Paper Money of the United States price guide lists this note at $350 in that condition, the prices are dated though, the best way to determine value would be to look at past auctions to see how much notes in similar condition sold for. The more recent the better. The note actually looks really good in the pics, good ink, decent centering, and pretty clean, but the folds and creases hold it down in the EF range. It would not surprise me if it sold for one or two hundred above the $350, especially if graded. If I get a few minutes I'll take a look at some past auctions.

Paper cannot be judged 100% accurately with pictures, your best bet would be to take the note to a local coin shop for in-person evaluation or send it into PMG. 

On 5/13/2023 at 3:04 PM, Carter12345 said:

Would 2 20’s and 1 25 being sold on the same day really suppress the price that much? And do PCGS holders really bring down the price? Or was it just right day right time? 

I don't think the prices were suppressed all that much, it seems to me that one of the 15's was a higher dollar note due to it's rarity and would typically bring a higher price regardless and the other was part of a buying frenzy during the pandemic. I don't collect these and pay little attention to them so I could be off base but that's what it seems like it could be to me. 

On 5/11/2023 at 3:38 AM, Carter12345 said:

Also I was looking at this auction place called great collections and how come some terrible looking 1899 $5 silver certificates graded 15 sold for like $730 but two that graded VF20 that looked decent sold for $790? Only $60 more for a much much better looking note.

One of the 15's was a mule, more valuable than a standard note such as yours, the other sold at the height of the pandemic when everything was going for crazy prices. The 20's sold on the same day and were in PCGS holders, both those things could have suppressed the price. Sometimes things sell for more than expected, sometimes less, it just depends on who's bidding and how bad they want it. 

Just picked up this well worn example with low serial number, # (22) 000004, the 22 is the series # which is separated from the serial number by a dot. I consider the series number independent of the serial, as do most, but it seems PMG does not and would not label this as a fancy number note, which I knew prior to purchasing. I've come to this conclusion based on how I've seen recent notes in the series graded and labeled, I may reach out to PMG if I ever consider trying to have this graded but for now it will sit happily in my collection.

Seller's images.

On 5/10/2023 at 10:01 PM, Carter12345 said:

Ok so most likely a 20. Also wouldn’t the ink mark count as a minor defect as stated in PMG grading scales for 20’s. It says they may have minor defects. Wouldn’t that be a minor defect?

Yes.

On 5/11/2023 at 3:38 AM, Carter12345 said:

Also I was looking at this auction place called great collections and how come some terrible looking 1899 $5 silver certificates graded 15 sold for like $730 but two that graded VF20 that looked decent sold for $790? Only $60 more for a much much better looking note.

Don't know, I'd have to see the notes. Could be as simple as right place right time.

On 5/10/2023 at 10:44 AM, Carter12345 said:

My note didnt have any tears but do you still think a 20 because of all the other issues like creases,folds, soling, etc?

Correct, but like I said I wouldn't be surprised if it moved one grade in either direction. 

On 5/9/2023 at 11:18 PM, Carter12345 said:

I saw this 25 which had multiple tears. How did it even get a 25 with that many tears?

Fewer folds and creases would be my guess.

On 5/9/2023 at 7:18 PM, Carter12345 said:

Do you think if the note didnt have tears it would grade a 25 or still probably a 20 because of all the other issues?

Hard to say, but yes, if it was in better condition it would have a better chance at grading higher. 25, possibly.

On 5/9/2023 at 5:45 PM, Carter12345 said:

Did those tiny little tears affect the grade?

Yes, they brought it down to a 20 along with the other condition issues.

On 5/9/2023 at 5:45 PM, Carter12345 said:

Or were they probably kind of overlooked since the grade is a 20 and it would’ve graded a 20 either way?

Everything is taken into consideration when grading. It is a subjective process involving multiple people to determine the condition of a note, I couldn't speak to what they thought about a note.

Do you still have the note or another? I thought you sold it?

On 5/9/2023 at 2:09 AM, Carter12345 said:

This one looked a lot like mine a good front but bad back. Do you think the only reason it graded a 20 was because the little tears or the overall note just deserved a 20?

https://currency.ha.com/itm/large-size/silver-certificates/fr-278-5-1899-silver-certificate-pmg-very-fine-20/p/142325-18037.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

I agree, this one looks similar to the note in the OP. Overall it looks like a 20.

Nice note!

I'm not noticing where the repair is but I do see some annotations on the back. I did a little searching and if I was going to guess I'd say the note would be worth in $600-$800 range. I don't deal in these at all but I wouldn't be surprised if it went a little higher.

On 5/7/2023 at 8:16 PM, Carter12345 said:

25% seems really high im not going to lie. I was think closer to 5%-10% for 15 or 25 wouldn’t you agree?

Without seeing the note in-hand I couldn't say. My guess is that it would grade 20, wouldn't surprise me if it moved one grade in either direction. 

On 5/4/2023 at 9:33 PM, Carter12345 said:

So mine would probably grade 20. Because that one was probably was on the edge of getting a 25 and everything other than soiling was better than mine on the note. And I guess they didn’t think there was enough soling to drop the grade. Also it had the same amount of folds as mine but mine were way bigger and stood out a lot more they deduct more for that right? Not to mention the paper is white and mine is brown/yellow.

Yep, based on the pics I would guess that your note would grade lower due to those reasons. 

On 5/6/2023 at 5:40 PM, Carter12345 said:

What percent do you think it grades a 15,20, or 25? Like 90% a 20, 5% a 25, and 5% a 15?? What do you think?

Purely a guess but 25,50,25.

On 5/4/2023 at 1:47 PM, Carter12345 said:

So do you think it would grade higher or lower than mine? Probably higher cause almost everything other than soiling is better?

My guess would be the same or higher due to the reasons you stated.

On 5/4/2023 at 1:47 PM, Carter12345 said:

And im guessing it barely got a 25.

A definite possibility. 

On 5/3/2023 at 9:07 PM, Carter12345 said:

It looks pretty bad but I think the back is still better than mine because the creases aren’t as big and not as much soiling or yellowed as my bill the paper looks more white. Is this one that barely got through?

That's an ugly looking note. It's in similar condition to yours, a few less folds and creases with sharper edges but more soiling. 

On 5/3/2023 at 10:36 AM, Carter12345 said:

Anyways do they deduct points for soiling? Because I don’t see any 25’s that look like mine with soiling.

Soiling will cause the note to grade lower than a note with less or no soiling.

Here (link below) is the PMG grading scale, it gives a brief description of what a note in a specific grade should look like. 

https://www.pmgnotes.com/paper-money-grading/grading-scale/

On 5/2/2023 at 7:54 PM, Carter12345 said:

And the source you got it from is like right and trustworthy right? Cause checking auctions there doesn’t seem to be to many speelman white. Or is that just a coincidence?

It is. Try searching by Fr #, there are 6 Speelman and White notes currently up for auction at HA alone.

On 5/2/2023 at 4:13 PM, Carter12345 said:

So its a common signature for the note I had right?

Yes.

On 5/2/2023 at 3:07 PM, Carter12345 said:

Ok so its not worth extra?

Nope, according to the Paper Money of the United States price guide. It seems to be a common signature combo for the regular note, it doesn't look like the signatures add anything for a star or mule either.

Doesn't appear to be, price guide values it the same, or very close, as all the other signature combo for these type notes.

On 5/1/2023 at 11:54 PM, Carter12345 said:

Is speelman white a rare signature combo for this bill?

Not really, not from what I'm seeing anyway.