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No idea - I hope they still exist and are in an old collection somewhere. It is on the 'to-find-out' list

I agree as I find the design interesting and this is often best seen on Specimens - they do tend to put holes in them and SPECIMEN (or the equivalent) in big red letters on top which often distracts Remainders are a great compromise. Apparently the records for the 500 pesos note have 200 printed but 197 incinerated so maybe just 3 issued notes escaped Hoping one turns up at a local UK auction

The quest towards a note from each of the Mexican States continues and I am now able to add Guerrero as State No.4, the list so far:- 1 Chihuahua 2 Tamaulipas 3 Veracruz 4 Guerrero Guerrero is in the southwest of Mexico and is named after Vicente Guerrero Saldana (the chap on the front) who, having joined the Mexican revolutionary forces in 1810, progressed to the rank of General with control of the southern forces. As a result he played a key role in Mexico gaining her independence from Spain in 1821 and went on to serve in the provisional government which was established in 1823 following Agustin de Iturbide's failed attempt at the introduction of a monarchy. Later on in 1829 he became President, with his most notable achievement being the abolishment of slavery in Mexico. This office proved shortlived as he was deposed by his vice president Anastasio Bustamante, subsequently captured and executed by firing squad in 1831. My note is a 50 pesos, printed by the ABNC, for the Banco de Guerrero which is the only 'Banco' for the state which began operations in 1906 with its first branch in Iguala, My note is cancelled with a needle punched 'AMORTIZADO' and it seems to be common for the Guerrero issues that the tops of the letters are missing - I guess they couldn't be bothered to fix the punch. It is a Series B note which was printed in 1914 and it appears that serial numbers 10001 to 14000 were issued yet the remainder of the run 140001 to 20000 was not, no doubt due to yet another revolutionary war. Liquidation of the bank, and many others, followed in 1921. The back of the note is a scene overlooking the largest city and major port of Acapulco - which entered popular culture as the playground of the rich and famous and the only place I was aware of in the State, sadly, this appears to be no longer the case. Examples of the 5, 10, 20 and even the 100 pesos notes are also available as remainders with issued notes being much more scarce, a 500 pesos issued note is a 'holy grail' item - anybody have one? Standard Catalog of World Paper Money. Specialised Issues 12th Edition. Mexican Paper Money 2017 Papermoneyofmexico.com (usmex.org) Flag of Guerrero: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=7551425

It is great to see that they are still operating even if the plan gets changed!

Fascinating - the various 0 Euro notes seem to be popular. I am always suprised how fast people produce things - I can't do anything that quick

It looks like TDLR are usually a great source of information however given the thread on Venezuelan specimen notes over at IBNS it appears they are without an archivist at the moment and therefore are not able to help. From their FAQs at https://www.delarue.com/faqs How can I enquire about a currency collector question? During COVID19 we are unable to answer the questions that would previously have been answered by our archivist.

Very interesting subject and an impressive note. I see there is an article in the latest issue of the IBNS journal on fake overprints on the Polish 1940 100 Zlotych note which now means I will have to look at all the Mexico Revolutionary overprints although they are not even close in terms of design and detail

From my own research the President appears to be Edgardo Suarez Contreras but I still have no idea who the others are! Front issued date 1971 + Juan S. Quinteros signature on the back + Large seal = GN - GW QA - QJ HQ - HZ PK - PT Front issued date 1972 + Juan S. Quinteros signature on the back + Large seal = IA - IJ Front issued date 1972 + Jorge A. Dowson signature on the back + Small seal = UB - UK EF - EO RK and RL Just to complicate matters the signature and seal positions on the back also vary but it is starting to look like P115 may be simpler than some of the other 1 colon issues and that's before even looking at other denominations. It may be many years before notes appear to allow all the missing gaps to be filled. As you suggest TDLR may be able to help as could the Central Bank for El Salvador, it appears that such information is surprisingly difficult to find - it must be there somewhere though! Given my interest in the earlier notes I thought putting a few 'modern' sets together would be a worthwhile, and simple, side project.

When I started collecting coins I was drawn to the discovery of new varieties as I found this fascinating, more so as it turned out that the standard reference books for world issues don't usually contain much, if any, information concerning such details. It transpires that the situation is much the same for medals. So, having recently added banknotes to my collection it rapidly became apparent that 'paper' was no different and records concerning Series, control letters, dates, signatures etc was surprisingly difficult to come by for some issues. (See my Journal posts on some Mexico Revolutionary issues 'A pile of tatty notes' which highlighted control letters on Durango notes and 'It's made of paper' which mentioned the Chihuahua dos caritas series). I have also acquired quite a few Latin American notes beyond Mexico as the fortunes of individual countries are intimately linked to those of the wider region. Compared to the intricate designs and vignettes of the early Banco issues I was attracted to the simplicity of this readily available 1 colon note from El Salvador- and not just that it had an extra date on the back (17-Aug-1973 in this case). So for a single Pick number (115a) it appears there are different signature combinations, front and back, and multiple series, dates etc with no mention of what these are in the SCWPM issue that I have and El Salvador is one of the several Latin American countries missing from the 2014 Banknote Book volumes. Numista records 24 different dates but these are not linked to the Series letters so this prompted a quick look at auction records etc and it was great that the sequence of Series letters used rapidly became apparent with the serial numbers suggesting 1 million notes per Series for 1972-1977. GN - GW QA - QJ HQ - HZ PK - PT IA - IJ UB - UK EF - EO RK and RL However the examples that I could find were still very limited (26 out of the possible 72) and the situation with the linked issue dates is even worse. Some Series have several issue dates so I wouldn't be surprised if the number of dates was nearer to 100! This collecting lark is a very slippery slope as I now have to look at all the other 1 colon issues and also the other denominations. Fortunately this can all be worked out electronically as auction lots now have pictures, and it keeps my wife happy as she says it keeps me out of trouble - it doesn't .

Interesting - I had discounted Option 2 due to the X and I thought 6 was genuine due to the b rather than option 4. Although I thought the flowers between and above the horns in the bottom right corner were better in Option 4 Counterfeits vs varieties - the ultimate question!

That wouldn't surprise me - it would seem to be a generational undertaking! It is certainly the case for Napoleonic coins and medals housed in old European collections. Great example, issued notes seem to be a real challenge - I've got the cow though

Mainly Mexico, and Revolutionary where there are still plenty of gaps in known control letters, serial number ranges etc. I find all the early notes (Specialised catalog) interesting so I seem to have some from various places in Central and South America, although it looks like nothing from Nicaragu at the moment so I may have to do something about that There are lots of short Banco series for these but I have also been looking at a complete run for a few countries - Guatemala seems to be winning at the moment with only >90% of the notes still needed for P6 to current. I wonder if anyone has ever put a complete collection together for any of these countries, I think I read somewhere that the biggest collections ever of Mexican Revolutionary notes are ~60%

I noticed that there was a Nicaragua 70 P178As at the upcoming World Banknote auction? I knew putting sets together for Mexico and some of the other Latin America countries would be a real challenge - turns out that was a massive understatement! As such your Nicaragua set is very impressive, particularly with all the detailed information which is fascinating,

Great notes, congratulations on the ones you did get, I tend to prefer the older ones. One of the reasons I started collecting more notes than coins was that the coin prices were getting beyond silly, almost 3x, or higher, over the last few years. As my original area of interest was British Colonial issues it rapidly became apparent that the cost of many such notes was just as bad hence Mexico and Latin America (also less well documented and therefore things to discover, and there are plenty that are affordable). A key thing I learnt the hard way from collecting coins was you have to grab some of the rarer items when they appear or that might be it for many many years - and then next time you can't afford it (a pattern gold sixpence instantly springs to mind which would now require a re-mortgage )

No. 5, but the top corners didn't look correct. SNAP! but my meds are starting to work now

Very detailed study - you should definitely put together the future 'reference' The challenge may be getting auction houses to adopt the findings! So I guess that none of them are authentic, possibly one - if this is wrong I claim that it is late here and I have enough trouble reading a small screen anyway

Really nice design and colours, I too have noticed that completing a graded banknote set is going to be a real challenge for most countries and will involve submitting lots of notes directly, and not just the early ones Good luck with putting your set together.

Easy to look after but they need plenty of space as they get to about a foot/30cm long and will fight each other, great fun feeding them by hand, making sure it is not your hand

That was a no-brainer as we used to keep lots of axolotls as pets Now I have to get a graded example!

Most numismatic journals seem to mainly cover ancients and medieval now, having said that the IBNS journal seems to publish the discovery of new varieties etc - this may be an option? You can then cite this to PMG

Very well spotted! I think a longer term question is whether NGC/PMG will recognise such varieties of world issues on the label, as they do for US issues? For example there are well established varieties of sixpences which are just attributed by date so you have to check the actual coin even if it is a slab - of course this should be what you do anyway and a great way of finding rare varieties. A friend was recently shocked to find out that countries did not have perfect records of all their coin and banknote production given it was money

There also seem to be some agriculture/horticulture medals but these will need a bit of research - some even look like they could be silver

As I am now adding banknotes to my collection my first Journal entry over here at PMG detailed a 1915 Mexican 'dos caritas' 10 pesos from Chihuahua . During a recent clear-out I came across some things from ~40 years ago which was when the interest in all things numismatic started. Among the British colonial coins (all common and low grade ) I was surprised to find I had kept a reproduction of a Mexican Revolution 10 pesos banknote from Chihuahua. I guess that means I have been interested in the period for longer than I thought. A bit scary how things work out but I suppose that means I am on the right track and now I just need an example of the real thing!

Great 5 pesos note! That series is even more complex and extensive than the 'dos caritas' and apparently people do collect all the series/dates etc for all the denominations.

The bottom two sets are both popular Revolution issues so I would hope that there would be no reason that PMG would not be able to add a 'dos caritas' set. As I also have a few of these notes I would probably have suggested it but as this would probably be based on the Pick numbers (S527/M918 to S538/M928) and I don't have the full set yet There are a number of other Revolution issues which would make good sets but I expect that many of the potential Revolution sets do not have enough slots or graded examples available, however the 'dos caritas' set would be fine. Having said that sets of control letters, stamps etc would probably be more suitable as a Signature Set and no doubt require submission of lots of notes for grading - this would be fantastic to see and an immense challenge with more than 1000 notes . Anyone know if this has ever been done at all as a single collection I do agree that splitting the Specialised Issues into 'Bancos' and 'Revolution' would be appropriate if more sets are added.