Fenntucky Mike

+42 = 3,185 2 Hryven +4 10 Hryven +6 20 Hryven +5 50 Hryven +4 100 Hryven +2 1000 Hryven +1 1 Karbovanets +1 3 Karbovantsi +1 5 Karbovantsiv +1 10 Karbovantsiv +1 25 Karbovantsiv +1 50 Karbovantsiv +1 100 Karbovantsiv +3 500 Karbovantsiv +1 1000 Karbovantsiv +1 10,000 Karbovantsiv +1 1,000,000 Karbovantsiv +1 2,000,000 Karbovantsiv +1 10 Karbowanez +1 100,000 Karbovantsiv +1 200,000 Karbovantsiv +1 20,000 Karbovantsiv +1 50,000 Karbovantsiv +1 200 Karbovantsiv +1

Well that stinks! I glanced that thread at IBNS a while back but was hopping that TDLR had gotten back to business as usual. Hopefully they get everyone back in the building or hire an archivist in the very near future. Not a dead end just a delay.

No problem. If that was a Minneapolis (I) instead of a Kansas City (J) note from the same series it would have been a different story about the value of the note. The Minn. 2017 series replacement (*) notes had a very short print run and are more valuable. I still get excited when I get a star note back in change, it's always fun to find one. I typically keep them to pass out as fun gifts

Nice * note! Star notes are a cool find in the wild but are typically not worth much over face and the serial number, while cool, is not a fancy number. I would think you could maybe get a dollar over face for it, possibly slightly more if someone was really keen on * notes or found the serial number particularly interesting.

Just got this in the mail yesterday. I these have been available for at least a month now but I had to wait until now to pick some up, I was a little surprised that they were still available. I ordered direct from the printer, and it arrived FAST. Pretty easy ordering process and it's under a $100 with the shipping, I picked up two. There are still some left. https://www.2022ukrajina.cz/en/eshop/ It's a pretty great looking note to begin with but under UV it really pops, I'll see if I can get some pics of the note under UV lighting this weekend. The note comes with a trifold pamphlet and both are housed in a standard envelope. From the printer. TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION Dimension - 194 x 84 mm Material - currency paper with 50%, weight 100 g / m2, contains a combination of a positively negative watermark in the shape of "linden leaves", complete with protective fibers Printing techniques - offset, letterpress Numbering - letter press, black, green fluorescence under UV lamp, 2× identical number including series on reverse side, vertical and horizontal pyramidal number Protective Elements - Currency paper with watermark and coloured fibres; Front side - pricing underprint raster, microtexts, iris gradients, colour with fluorescence under UV lamp; Reverse side - pricing underprint raster, microtexts, iris gradients, colour with fluorescence under UV lamp, pyramidal numbering with green fluorescence under UV lamp Author - academic artist Eva Hašková Printing - STÁTNÍ TISKÁRNA CENIN, státní podnik Publisher - České dukáty s.r.o. Year of issue - 2022 Edition - 20,000 pieces in series A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J of 2000 pieces

Nice! I haven't looked at one of these in a LONG time, I forgot how much I liked the vignette on the back.

Anything is collectable, the trouble is trying to find a person who collects something like that. IMO the value is that the note is a repeater, triple sevens and non 1's & 0's binaries add no value to the note above and beyond the premium of the serial number being a repeater. I'm not saying that you won't find a person who may pay above and beyond for a note with triple sevens, because they have some attachment to those numbers, want a "lucky" note, are looking for a good liars poker bill, etc., but a vast majority of knowledgeable/seasoned collectors will be in the price range I mentioned. Fancy numbers are more common than people realize, radars and repeaters are the ones I see the most, and the condition of the note holds it back further, to me this is a good keeper and I'd put it in a sleeve and just hang on to it because it's cool. If this note was a $50 or $100 it'd be a spender to me, that it is a $5 means it won't put a hurting on your wallet, as opposed to tying up money in a higher denomination bill that has little value over face.

I wonder why they went with a stamp like overprint on this note and not the others? Interesting. This seems like a wonderful series of notes to collect and research, a fun project no doubt. I look forward to seeing/reading more about Czech notes as you post them.

Sorry just getting back to this, busy day at work. Would an authentic note have an adhesive stamp on it or was it a stamplike overprint? I'm assuming a stamplike overprint since that's what the contemporary counterfeit has, just curious as I've seen actual adhesive stamps used on other notes of the era. Also, it looks like the note was stamped multiple times do they all say "bankovní úřad ministerstva financí, praha" or were there other stamps used? I'm really liking these notes, thanks for sharing.

Nice fancy number! The serial number is a repeater, while the number is also binary in the sense that there are only two numerals used, it is not binary in the "Fancy" sense which would require the serial number to be comprised entirely of 1's & 0's. For a heavily circulated $5 repeater I would think the value would be just over face, maybe double or just slightly more at best.

It is interesting that it was identified as counterfeit and still survived, seemingly still circulating and/or returned to the owner. Presumably. Notes and coins would have been hard to come by at this time and it could be as you suggest, that the stamp made this a legal note helping to alleviate demand for physical currency until new notes could be produced. An interesting note with a story to tell, I love notes like this. Contemporary counterfeits are a collecting avenue all on their own, many countries have dozens of them.

+36 = 3,143 2 Hryvni +15 5 Hryven +15 1 Hryvnia +5 1000 Karbovantsiv +1 Not sure why such large quantities of the 2 & 5 were submitted, unless there was just a delay in updating the Pop Report. Also, we have surpassed 1,000 Ukrainian notes graded by PMG sine I started tracking the Pop Report on 5/11/2021.

I'm not sure of what the PMG holder is made of so I can't say definitively that it is the best, but my guess is that it would be fine. They also have scratch and UV resistant types of Lexan or other similar plastics. One of the best things I ever did, now all of the TPG holders for my graded notes stay clean and scratch/scuff free.

I'm sure somebody makes one or you could make your own out of a couple of pieces of Lexan and sandwiching the note and holder in between. Or maybe place it in a picture frame for displaying purposes. There is any number of ways to do what you are describing. The holder can become a bit distorted, especially if it wasn't stored properly and/or exposed to heat, but in general I haven't seen anything that I've been concerned about. I like to put a protective sleeve over my PMG graded notes to protect the holder from scuffs and scratches, then I like to store mine in a holder like the one in the image below. You can fit a lot of graded notes in one of these and it doesn't take up much space. My raw notes are placed in appropriately sized sleeves,

Have you made any progress on identifying the signatures, how many variants, and any additional series letters since posting? A very interesting undertaking and one that will be ongoing, as they always seem to be. For me at least. I wonder if TDLR would be a viable resource? This being a modern note they may be able to look in their archives or provide some additional info. When I contacted Pobjoy looking for mintages for IoM modern coinage that was a bigtime bust. But Pobjoy is completely dysfunctional, TDLR seems more helpful from what I've read on other forums.

References put the printing at 1,000 notes, for those with prefix Aж. These notes were printed on paper with no watermark and there will be wavy lines of varnish on the note, they are on the back of this one. Wavy lines of varnish are unique to this prefix. From examples I've seen the serial number range seems to be between 282000 - 282999 or 282001 - 283000

Or varieties vs errors. Or acceptable variation/tolerance vs errors vs varieties vs counterfeits in a steel cage match, Thunderdome even. # 2 is is lightly inked, much lighter when compared to the others, and I believe this resulted in some detail loss, especially on the front and possibly on the back making the X seem smaller or "weaker" to use coin terminology. It could also be variation in the engravings but when considering the note as a whole it just has the overall quality in the engraving and inking that I would expect, even though it may not be on par with other notes. Excellent point about the flowers around the horns on notes 4 and 6, again my opinion is that what you are seeing is an inking variation between the notes, #6 seems to have less ink applied than #4 (#4 is the most heavily inked of the three that I believe are authentic) making the detail in the flowers look "weaker" or sloppy. In the same context over inking could obscure some details, especially in the anticounterfeiting grid. A few of those small squares could get filled with ink, or the lines get thicker distorting the grid. The same would go for the detail in the flowers. I suppose the inking variations that I think we're all seeing could be do to how the paper contacted the plate or how much force was applied as well. Great observations and points everyone! An excellent discussion so far!

I can absolutely see why you believe that only # 6 is authentic, there is definitely variation in the fonts of the other notes when compared to # 6, but I believe that these are caused, in part, by the amount of ink applied (or not) during printing and some natural variation in the engravings/poor quality control. Taking the overall look of the note into consideration, my opinion is that 2, 4, & 6 are authentic. The Tryzub on the back of # 2 is pretty lousy and the font on # 4 is not great, that is a long stemmed "b", but when taking the entire note into consideration I believe them to be genuine and that what you are seeing is more along the lines of a variety/varieties. Excellent eye @VE Coins, well done! This was a tricky one, heck, I could be wrong and you could be correct. I will tell you that while all of the notes posted here are raw, I have seen the # 2 "variety" in a PMG holder. I'll probably have another Journal entry on that later and of the acceptable variances in these notes, at least what I consider acceptable, and whether or not these would be considered varieties. I think not. I'd be very interested to here your opinion on the subject, as well as anyone else who wants to join in.

Thanks! It's not a fancy number but I just thought it was cool.

It's in decent enough condition, I mainly picked it up because I liked the serial number.

+7 = 3,107 20 Hryven +1 100 Hryven +1 200 Hryven +1 500 Hryven +1 1000 Hryven +1 2000 Hryven +1 5 Karbowanez +1

From the above.

"Pop quiz hotshot". How many of these notes are authentic? Since we covered the 50 Shahiv I thought I'd pull out some of my 40 Shahiv contemporary counterfeits and give them the same treatment. Plus, I'm boooored right now (rainy day here in Michigan) and why not spend some time looking at banknotes! Let's get to the hints. Front: As always, we're looking for quality, in the artistry/production of the note and the three "S's" sharpness, separation, and spacing are key in differentiating between a contemporary counterfeit and authentic notes. I'll point out a few areas that I look at first. Similar to the 50 Shahiv, the 40 has anti-counterfeiting grids in the four corners surrounding the central design, these grids should be well defined with straight lines that are evenly spaced forming well defined boxes. The grids will be separated from the wreath by a gap which conforms to the design of the wreath, this gap should be of even thickness as it winds around the wreath. The central design is of the Ukrainian National Emblem, the Tryzub, and within the two outer prongs is another grid, a diamond matrix with symbol in the upper tip of the diamonds. I believe the symbol to be a Ʌ symbol similar to the Ʌ's on the middle prong of the Tryzub but due to their size they more often than not look like a misshapen circle or blob. As with the anti-counterfeiting grids in the four corners, we are looking for straight lines, even spacing and well-defined diamonds/boxes here as well, along with the symbol being present at the top of each diamond. Also, within the Tryzub design is another fine detail, the shading of the Tryzub is broken with fine "feathering" apparent at the base. The feathering lines, unprinted areas within the shading, should be well defined with no ink breaking in and they should be no wider than .5mm. There are two types of these feathering lines, a longer/taller one that extends 3/4's into the shading and a shorter line that extends 1/4 into the shading, these feathering lines will alternate long, short, long short and so on. Finally, the wreath surrounding the Tryzub should be full, flowers, seeds, fruits, leaves should be sitting on top of one another, overlapping. The design elements should NOT be as individual components, standing alone. The wreath should form a nearly perfect circle around the Tryzub and should be shaded by the circle on the righthand side starting at 2 o'clock and continuing down to the 7 o'clock position. As is normal there are more design elements and things to look for when separating contemporary counterfeits and authentic notes such as the perforations, the type of paper used, the notes dimensions, looking at the rest of the design, etc. but counterfeits of this period are of poor quality and are easily identified using the above diagnostics. I would be very surprised if there was a contemporary counterfeit of a 40 Shahiv note that was of such excellent quality that the decision came down to those type of details. Back: The back is identical to the 50 Shahiv, there is no back design variety that I've seen for this note, all are of the large Tryzub/small text design. So far. The boarder is the first thing to look at on the back as counterfeits are often lacking in this department and it is a quick identifier. The boarder should be clean, the line/s making up the boarder should be a consistent thickness, the vertical and horizontal lines parallel to one another, the corners should form right angles, it should be well aligned and parallel with the perforations/edge of the note, and any general sloppiness or varying of the boarder is a red flag. Centering on authentic notes is typically not great and as such should not be used as an identifier. The Tryzub should have a level of detail to it, if split in half the left and right should mirror each other perfectly, or very close to it. Again, any general sloppiness or lack of detail here is a warning sign. The text should be level as if written on lined writing paper, the font should be consistent with no variation in sizing, the spacing between letters should not vary along with the vertical spacing between words. Counterfeits often have poorly spaced and sized text, on occasion the text will be illegible and/or at a slant Soooo... Which of the notes from my collection, posted at the beginning of the Journal entry, are counterfeits? The SCWPM does not list a counterfeit for this note currently, not that I know of at any rate, and if added I would expect it to be Pick # 10x. I don't believe that different counterfeits receive different Pick #'s but this note and the 50 Shahiv were absolutely counterfeited multiple times by different people/groups. A list of the different types of contemporary counterfeits for these notes could be an interesting project for me or signature set here. If anyone is looking to dip their toe into Ukrainian banknote collecting, I can't recommend starting with these notes enough. They are fun, interesting, there is more to be discovered about them, don't take up a lot of room, and they are dirt cheap!

Good Luck!