A P-29, another step closer?

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Revenant

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I was just messing around online and on eBay and I saw that one of my favorite dealers, who has been powering my set's (and my competition's set, and Mike's thrice cursed upstart of a set) towards completion, was listing a 67 EPQ grade copy of the P-29 note. It isn't competition for the 68 EPQ note that someone has in their set (not that I'm much competition for them grade / pointwise these days anyway lol ) but it's still a great, superb gem copy of the note that was available for sale at a reasonable price that I could just buy and didn't have to have a slap-fight over and lose at the last second to a sniper, so I took it. I got it for $33.80, which I think is solid for this one. 

The P-28 and P-29 are two notes that you need for a complete pick set but I haven't been overly concerned about them - I've been okay with not having them in the set because they are almost identical to the P-30, which is far more common. The main differences are the serial number prefixes - the issue dates and redemption dates are the same. The P-28 has an earlier issuance date (Oct 2005) but prefixes starting with A like the P-30. But, with this one popping up, I wanted it, I can afford it, the price seemed reasonable, and so I just got it.

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Getting a P-29 takes a small bite out of the last major hole in GTS, which is dominated by the oh-so-hard to get and oh-so-expensive in any condition Cargill Bearer Checks. At one time I'd collapsed 28-30 and 31-32 into 2 slots instead of 5 just because they were such low priorities for the set. But... we're coming to the end. And the set can't truly be complete without them.

I showed my wife an image / screencap of the whole set, just to show off how far it had come and I was super proud of it and the first thing she says is, "What are all those up there?" pointing to the big, gaping, hole. lol 

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My P-32 was the first note from this group and it was a 66 EPQ that I got for cheap. I may convince myself to bump that up one day to get a 68... but I'd rather add a P-31. lol

Near to the end folks... About time for the RBZ to start pumping out another 25 note series! lol

 

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Mike's thrice cursed upstart of a set

Thanks for the reminder. lol

Definitely a sweet pick up at a good price, but what am I missing? Why do these have separate Pick #'s as opposed to a variety Pick #?

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On 10/2/2021 at 9:48 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

Thanks for the reminder. lol

Definitely a sweet pick up at a good price, but what am I missing? Why do these have separate Pick #'s as opposed to a variety Pick #?

I don't know... All I can say, in the politest way possible, is that the SCWBN is not always... entirely... internally consistent... it feels like?

So... P-28 and P-30 have different dates of issuance with one being 10/1/2005 and 2/1/2006. But P-23 has varieties a, b, c, d, e, AND f and the only difference between e and f is the redemption date. And they would have done that with categorizing 23, I would think, before categorizing this as 28 and 30... (shrug):roflmao:

With 29 at least it seems likely that they had a different printer, but I haven't found a source that confirms this for me. But that still leaves me wondering why we don't have P-28a, P-28b, and P-29.

I'm wondering if they Printed the 28s themselves, then printed the 29s through G&D, and then printed the 30s themselves or had someone else print them for them, and they decided to split the 30s out into a new pick number because of the shifting back and forth.

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I agree that the SCWPM is less than accurate, but still a great reference, and based on what you are telling me this is another swing and miss. A different printer doesn't mean a separate Pick #, typically, their are several Ukrainian banknotes of the same design/denomination where issues were printed at different facilities. The different printers are even called out under the same Pick # in the SCWPM so I'm ruling that one out. 

Ok, I just opened the SCWPM to figure out what you're talking about lol and I'm wondering why there isn't 28a, b & c. Having three different Picks for these seems really odd to me. hm I think that 29 & 30 need to be merged into 28. While we're at it, might as well change 32 to 31b. You became a prefix collector and didn't know it. :bigsmile:

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I'm tempted to get a subscription to the Banknote Book to see what they have listed for these. You used to be able to buy individual chapters but since they sold out to Greysheet the price went way up and it's a monthly subscription. I hate that. :frustrated:It's $10 for a one month subscription, I found it more accurate for Ukrainian banknotes than the SCWPM. I just go there to read the weekly updates.

 The Banknote Book (greysheet.com) 

BanknoteNews – Breaking news about world paper money. Powered by The Banknote Book.

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On 10/2/2021 at 2:02 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:

I agree that the SCWPM is less than accurate, but still a great reference, and based on what you are telling me this is another swing and miss. A different printer doesn't mean a separate Pick #, typically, their are several Ukrainian banknotes of the same design/denomination where issues were printed at different facilities. The different printers are even called out under the same Pick # in the SCWPM so I'm ruling that one out. 

Ok, I just opened the SCWPM to figure out what you're talking about lol and I'm wondering why there isn't 28a, b & c. Having three different Picks for these seems really odd to me. hm I think that 29 & 30 need to be merged into 28. While we're at it, might as well change 32 to 31b. You became a prefix collector and didn't know it. :bigsmile:

I agree, 100%, which is why, even though for a long time my goal was a pick set, I just largely shrugged at the idea of not having these. I only had separate open slots for them for a while now because they are, technically, for now, different pick numbers that I didn't / don't have.

But if you think I didn't know I was a prefix collector you haven't looked at my GTS set close enough, or the fact that for about a year now there have been 2 P-6 notes with different prefixes. lol

On 10/2/2021 at 2:17 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:

I'm tempted to get a subscription to the Banknote Book to see what they have listed for these. You used to be able to buy individual chapters but since they sold out to Greysheet the price went way up and it's a monthly subscription. I hate that. :frustrated:It's $10 for a one month subscription, I found it more accurate for Ukrainian banknotes than the SCWPM. I just go there to read the weekly updates.

 The Banknote Book (greysheet.com) 

BanknoteNews – Breaking news about world paper money. Powered by The Banknote Book.

While accuracy counts for a lot, if it isn't what PMG goes by I don't know how helpful it is for the registry. lol

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On 10/2/2021 at 3:53 PM, Revenant said:

While accuracy counts for a lot, if it isn't what PMG goes by I don't know how helpful it is for the registry. lol

True, but....

I bought the Ukrainian chapter a few years ago for an additional reference to help me determine what the SCWPM was missing or had incorrect and I pick up raw varieties based on that and other references/information. I have several Ukrainian notes that are not listed in the SCWPM and I plan on submitting them eventually. The worst case scenario, I think, is that they will receive the Pick # UNL on the PMG label but that won't stop me from asking for a slot in the registry and I'm pretty sure PMG will acquiesce. (thumbsu

Well.... The worst case scenario would be that PMG tells me my notes are phony and body bad them or that they are not Ukrainian, but I've ruled that possibility out completely. It's best that I don't think about it. lol

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On 10/2/2021 at 3:11 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:

The worst case scenario, I think, is that they will receive the Pick # UNL on the PMG label but that won't stop me from asking for a slot in the registry and I'm pretty sure PMG will acquiesce. (thumbsu

I wouldn't be surprised if they helped you out but it might be hard / interesting to see how they slot them in and categorize them if they don't fit into the Pick system. (shrug) You might get what you want in a way you don't much like. lol

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