Ch # 6301 0 Entry posted by Sheik Sheck · April 6, 2019 2,033 views Friday art time. The Mellon signatures continue to intrigue. Report Entry 0
ddr70 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share The $10 is A2 radar 84348, so A284348. Statistically, I find that too often in the pool of notes that survived, just to annoy me no doubt :-). Is that a K4 Plate on the PB $5? Good to see your posts again! Link to comment
Sheik Sheck Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Indeed that is a K4 plate. The red seals are all C plates and I don't know why the 2 blue seals are coincidentally K plates. I am real confused because I saw a date back, blue seal $10 note but the signatures were that of the red seal notes. And all have the same date on them. Why are blue seals from 1902 have two different signature combo's? This bank always surprises me. Link to comment
ddr70 Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) Report Share The $5 Plain Back is the 'youngest' note as it doesn't have a regional sort letter and it has two instances of the bank serial number. Use of the treasury serial number was discontinued after August 22, 1925 and geographical sort numbers were discontinued in 1924. The $20 with serial number 451123 is well into the range ordered by The Mellon NB (serial numbers for plain backs of 3X$10-$20 were 249001-696905). The $5 & $10 red seals were printed prior to the 1903 rotary serial number printing machine (the $20 red seal was not). Your notes span > 20 years, so not too surprising that the cashier and president changed out over that period of time. Date backs were replaced by plain backs as I recall mostly at the expiration of the Aldrich-Vreeland act in 1915. So we know Mitchell and A.W. Mellon were still in charge at that time. Mitchell gave us a much bolder swirl over the i in his signature on the Date Back. What's confusing to me is why that $5 Plain Back still has a June 3, 1902 date as I think it was printed after 1925 (the two bank serial numbers indicate this) which spans over 20 years (the length of a charter shouldn't exceed 20 years), so it should display the next charter date (for the Mellon NB ~June 4, 1922 and updated register of the Treasury and Treasurer signatures). The K4 plate indicates treasury (engraving) ran through the alphabet 4 times for the Mellon. So why not update the later plates with the new charter date and Treasury signatures? [recall my Salem, OH, Charter 43 post a number of months ago] I think the answer is that treasury just wasn't very consistent. There's a $5 PB SN 684881/N886932E with Lewis and R.B. Mellon signatures on ebay. Edited June 19, 2019 by ddr70 Link to comment
Sheik Sheck Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share As always, you are a fountain of information. Thanks for educating me regarding the K4 plate. I assume this subscript essentially means the bank had a lot of currency printed. I assume updating later plates with the new charter date and Treasury signatures was a matter of cost. It would have made life a lot easier for the likes of you and me had the plates changed in a more consistent manner. Link to comment
ddr70 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) Report Share This is for Ch. 6301 which issued series 1902 Red Seals (RS), Date Backs (DB) and Plain Backs (PB) as well as Ty 1 and 2 Small Nationals. Using Heritage's archives, I've found all RS and DB have A.W. Mellon as President. W.S. Mitchell was Cashier for all RS and most DBs, but was succeeded by BW Lewis near the end of the DB issues (one example on a $10 DB where BW Lewis signed with AW Mellon, SN 248880 given a $10DB range of SN 1-249000). In 1921, A.W. Mellon resigned to take the post of U.S. Treasury Secretary. You'll find both A.W. and R.B. on notes with the regional sort letter, but only R.B. on notes without the geographical sort letter, as geographical sort letters were dropped in 1924. After Aug. 22, 1925, the treasury SN was replaced with a second instance of the bank SN and as expected only Lewis and R.B. Mellon appear as bank officers. I've found only one example, a $5 PB, where R.B. Mellon signed the note and a line is engraved on the plate for placement of bank officers' signatures and the plate was a D. All others have engraved signatures of Lewis and R.B. Mellon and no lines. Research to date has signatures engraved on $5 PBs starting with Plate A3 and continuing through O4 as the 'highest' plate I've observed. Early plain back $10s and $20s are found with the signature line and the highest plate 'numbers' observed were DD and J, respectively. Two PB $10s with TT front plate and a $20 with an N front plate were the highest found. A bit more research is needed to determine highest plate 'number' for the Mellon NB (someone with track and price could help out here). So that makes for interesting variants: a) with engraved signatures and b) older notes without engraved signatures. Aldrich-Vreeland Act was enacted in 1908 which allowed banks to back their notes with 'other securities'. The act expired in 1915, so the backing of notes using other securities than treasury bonds was no longer allowed. It would appear that in the case of Ch. 6301, Date Backs were issued up until the expiration of Aldrich-Vreeland and new plates and use of Plain Backs began. All plates used for PBs have 'backed by US bonds deposited with the treasury' as do all red seals; red seal issues must have ended by 1908 with date back picking up the 'other securities' backing language. Mellon's charter date, June 3, 1902, appears on all large size notes even though notes were printed in 1925 after the treasury SN was discontinued. I assume the Mellon NB renewed their charter at the 20 year mark, but even though dozens of plates were engraved, Lyons and Roberts and June 3, 1902 continued to be used. The Act of July 1, 1922 extended lifetimes of all national banks for 99 years, thereby ending the need for a new series; the Mellon NB must not have had an order for notes for those problematic 28 days in June. I'm happy to report I'm no longer confused by Ch. 6301! In case you are wondering, what are the SN ranges for 6301, here they are: $5 RS SN 1-116200; $5 DB SN 1-374995; $5 PB SN 374996-1000000; A1-A363739 3x$10-$20 RS SN 1-109670; $10 DB 1-249000; $10 PB SN 249001-696905 $50-$100 RS 1-3070; DB 1-7600 Edited June 20, 2019 by ddr70 Sheik Sheck 1 Link to comment
Sheik Sheck Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Took almost 8 months but I finally found the missing piece for $180 in Lyn Knight's recent auction. ddr70 1 Link to comment
ddr70 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share But you're missing the 1902 date backs. The challenge will be to get date backs with Cashier B.W. Lewis who replaced Mitchell shortly (not sure how shortly) before 1915 and roll out of Plain Backs. For $10/$20 Date Backs, this would be after SN 241142/K878028B (A NICE RADAR NOTE that Mitchell signed). I found Lewis signed SN 248800/M48236B. Better yet, you need both Mitchel AND Lewis on the DBs! It appears the Mellon got into issuing $50 and $100's moreso at the end of the Date Back period, so you would prefer having the Mitchell signed high denoms. :-) Link to comment
Sheik Sheck Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share I have not researched the population for the date backs but since I rarely see any come across at auction, I assume that is going to take another decade or so. I was just trying to get the $5, $10 and $20 denominations in decent condition for the red and blue seals and the Mellon Bros' signatures for this mini-collection. I am not even sure why the $5 blue does not have the 'E' designation as it is also a Lyons_Roberts combo with the same date, June 3, 1902, as the $10 and $20? I have a feeling you will educate me on this fine point. Thanks! Link to comment
Sheik Sheck Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Sorry, I re-read your April post and you already answered that. I am keeping an eye out for the high denom's. I passed on a $50 Ch 6301 a short time ago. It was cheap but had a few issues. I am not crazy about rust and paper clip marks. I also get the feeling that folks like to hang on to those high denoms as they rarely seem to come up for sale. I noticed the $100 Minnesota red seal is estimated to go for 40K plus at the FUN auction coming up. Out of my area code! Link to comment
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