rvnmedic Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Bought this on the Bay. Very pleased with the condition, although PCGS seems to have undergraded it IMO. Not sure why it's "about new" either. The obverse centering is excellent and the reverse is good. Overall, the note looks as good as CHCU 63. Regardless, this is my second 0000000X single digit note. Your opinions are welcome. Is this worthy of a breakout and submit to PMG for an upgrade? Edited October 28, 2015 by rvnmedic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lettow Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Cant speak to the numerical grade itself but it is also missing the PQ. It looks like the lower left margin of the face - lower right of the back has been trimmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvnmedic Posted October 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Cant speak to the numerical grade itself but it is also missing the PQ. It looks like the lower left margin of the face - lower right of the back has been trimmed. Thanks. Good eye. Well, I still have it graded by PCGS and love the single digit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmallSizeFanatic Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Not bashing PCGS, but I see this a lot. Tons and tons of AU58's from them. IMHO, crack it out and submit to PMG. I think you will be happy with PMG's grade :c) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny9434 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 neat note Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techwriter Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 One other issue: when a note with a high grade like this there is always the possibility the grader thought the note had been "pressed". I have seen this before and if this is the case I do wish they would have a Note or a Comment; otherwise we are left scratching our heads. I do agree with the trimming comment, does appear to be trimmed. Hey, it is a nice note. Good luck should you decide to submit to another TPG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvnmedic Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Not bashing PCGS, but I see this a lot. Tons and tons of AU58's from them. IMHO, crack it out and submit to PMG. I think you will be happy with PMG's grade :c) Still learning, so here's some more questions: 1) If the grader thought it was pressed or trimmed or both, I thought PCGS tagged the holder with the "apparent" term, signifying an issue? 2) I don't understand the trimming. If the original owner was attempting to get the centering better, did he/she mis-cut the trim? Relative to that, do the graders measure the total width and height of the notes to detect trimming alterations? 3) If I submit to PMG for an upgrade, do they leave it in the original holder if it won't upgrade? Enough questions for now! Thanks to all who've replied. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techwriter Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Not bashing PCGS, but I see this a lot. Tons and tons of AU58's from them. IMHO, crack it out and submit to PMG. I think you will be happy with PMG's grade :c) Still learning, so here's some more questions: 1) If the grader thought it was pressed or trimmed or both, I thought PCGS tagged the holder with the "apparent" term, signifying an issue? 2) I don't understand the trimming. If the original owner was attempting to get the centering better, did he/she mis-cut the trim? Relative to that, do the graders measure the total width and height of the notes to detect trimming alterations? 3) If I submit to PMG for an upgrade, do they leave it in the original holder if it won't upgrade? Enough questions for now! Thanks to all who've replied. Bob Bob, don't know how to answer your questions especially #2 and #3. Here's an example which baffled me and I finally concluded they thought it was pressed thus no PPQ. == Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvnmedic Posted November 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Seems to be a fuzzy area. I do like the numismatic saying that you are buying the coin, not the plastic. If it looks a lot better than the assigned grade, and the price point is right for you, then who cares. Same for your note. It looks fantastic and I'm envious! I might crack it out when I have four other notes to send in. Thanks. Not bashing PCGS, but I see this a lot. Tons and tons of AU58's from them. IMHO, crack it out and submit to PMG. I think you will be happy with PMG's grade :c) Still learning, so here's some more questions: 1) If the grader thought it was pressed or trimmed or both, I thought PCGS tagged the holder with the "apparent" term, signifying an issue? 2) I don't understand the trimming. If the original owner was attempting to get the centering better, did he/she mis-cut the trim? Relative to that, do the graders measure the total width and height of the notes to detect trimming alterations? 3) If I submit to PMG for an upgrade, do they leave it in the original holder if it won't upgrade? Enough questions for now! Thanks to all who've replied. Bob Bob, don't know how to answer your questions especially #2 and #3. Here's an example which baffled me and I finally concluded they thought it was pressed thus no PPQ. == Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve in Tampa Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 To the OP's question #3 3) If I submit to PMG for an upgrade, do they leave it in the original holder if it won't upgrade? You would be submitting the note for GRADING, not upgrading or downgrading, just GRADING. All TPG's must have the note "in hand" to properly grade the note, so the holder would be history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvnmedic Posted November 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Thanks, Steve. To the OP's question #3 3) If I submit to PMG for an upgrade, do they leave it in the original holder if it won't upgrade? You would be submitting the note for GRADING, not upgrading or downgrading, just GRADING. All TPG's must have the note "in hand" to properly grade the note, so the holder would be history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
