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Carter12345
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Would 2 20’s and 1 25 being sold on the same day really suppress the price that much? And do PCGS holders really bring down the price? Or was it just right day right time?
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On 5/11/2023 at 3:06 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Yes.
Don't know, I'd have to see the notes. Could be as simple as right place right time.
Check great collections auction archives. When the VF20s sold there were 2 VF20s and 1 VF25 up for auction on the same day but that wouldnt bring down the price would it? When the 15 sold it was the only one up at auction. Was it just the buyer didn’t really care or got in a bidding war?
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On 5/10/2023 at 8:49 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Correct, but like I said I wouldn't be surprised if it moved one grade in either direction.
Also I was looking at this auction place called great collections and how come some terrible looking 1899 $5 silver certificates graded 15 sold for like $730 but two that graded VF20 that looked decent sold for $790? Only $60 more for a much much better looking note.
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On 5/10/2023 at 8:49 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Correct, but like I said I wouldn't be surprised if it moved one grade in either direction.
Ok so most likely a 20. Also wouldn’t the ink mark count as a minor defect as stated in PMG grading scales for 20’s. It says they may have minor defects. Wouldn’t that be a minor defect?
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On 5/10/2023 at 2:59 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Fewer folds and creases would be my guess.
Hard to say, but yes, if it was in better condition it would have a better chance at grading higher. 25, possibly.
My note didnt have any tears but do you still think a 20 because of all the other issues like creases,folds, soling, etc?
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On 5/9/2023 at 3:43 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Yes, they brought it down to a 20 along with the other condition issues.
Everything is taken into consideration when grading. It is a subjective process involving multiple people to determine the condition of a note, I couldn't speak to what they thought about a note.
Do you still have the note or another? I thought you sold it?
I saw this 25 which had multiple tears. How did it even get a 25 with that many tears?
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On 5/9/2023 at 3:43 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Yes, they brought it down to a 20 along with the other condition issues.
Everything is taken into consideration when grading. It is a subjective process involving multiple people to determine the condition of a note, I couldn't speak to what they thought about a note.
Do you still have the note or another? I thought you sold it?
I did sell it i just want to know what it would’ve graded. Do you think if the note didnt have tears it would grade a 25 or still probably a 20 because of all the other issues?
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On 5/9/2023 at 3:05 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
I agree, this one looks similar to the note in the OP. Overall it looks like a 20.
Yeah but it had tears. Did those tiny little tears affect the grade? Or were they probably kind of overlooked since the grade is a 20 and it would’ve graded a 20 either way?
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On 5/8/2023 at 3:09 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Without seeing the note in-hand I couldn't say. My guess is that it would grade 20, wouldn't surprise me if it moved one grade in either direction.
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On 5/8/2023 at 3:09 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Without seeing the note in-hand I couldn't say. My guess is that it would grade 20, wouldn't surprise me if it moved one grade in either direction.
This one looked a lot like mine a good front but bad back. Do you think the only reason it graded a 20 was because the little tears or the overall note just deserved a 20?
https://currency.ha.com/itm/large-size/silver-certificates/fr-278-5-1899-silver-certificate-pmg-very-fine-20/p/142325-18037.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 -
On 5/7/2023 at 5:27 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Yep, based on the pics I would guess that your note would grade lower due to those reasons.
Purely a guess but 25,50,25.
25% seems really high im not going to lie. I was think closer to 5%-10% for 15 or 25 wouldn’t you agree?
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On 5/7/2023 at 5:27 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Yep, based on the pics I would guess that your note would grade lower due to those reasons.
Purely a guess but 25,50,25.
25% for both seams really high im not going to lie. I was thinking like 5%-10% for 15 and 25. And like 80%-90% for a 20
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On 5/4/2023 at 11:42 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
My guess would be the same or higher due to the reasons you stated.
A definite possibility.
What percent do you think it grades a 15,20, or 25? Like 90% a 20, 5% a 25, and 5% a 15?? What do you think?
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On 5/4/2023 at 11:42 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
My guess would be the same or higher due to the reasons you stated.
A definite possibility.
So mine would probably grade 20. Because that one was probably was on the edge of getting a 25 and everything other than soiling was better than mine on the note. And I guess they didn’t think there was enough soling to drop the grade. Also it had the same amount of folds as mine but mine were way bigger and stood out a lot more they deduct more for that right? Not to mention the paper is white and mine is brown/yellow.
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On 5/4/2023 at 3:10 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
That's an ugly looking note. It's in similar condition to yours, a few less folds and creases with sharper edges but more soiling.
So do you think it would grade higher or lower than mine? Probably higher cause almost everything other than soiling is better? And im guessing it barely got a 25.
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On 5/3/2023 at 8:36 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Soiling will cause the note to grade lower than a note with less or no soiling.
Here (link below) is the PMG grading scale, it gives a brief description of what a note in a specific grade should look like.
Wouldn’t the ink spot count as a “minor defect” I also found this 25
It looks pretty bad but I think the back is still better than mine because the creases aren’t as big and not as much soiling or yellowed as my bill the paper looks more white. Is this one that barely got through?
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On 5/3/2023 at 3:29 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
It is. Try searching by Fr #, there are 6 Speelman and White notes currently up for auction at HA alone.
Oh alright I just didn’t see any. Anyways do they deduct points for soiling? Because I don’t see any 25’s that look like mine with soiling.
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On 5/2/2023 at 3:33 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Yes.
And the source you got it from is like right and trustworthy right? Cause checking auctions there doesn’t seem to be to many speelman white. Or is that just a coincidence?
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On 5/2/2023 at 12:39 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Nope, according to the Paper Money of the United States price guide. It seems to be a common signature combo for the regular note, it doesn't look like the signatures add anything for a star or mule either.
So its a common signature for the note I had right?
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On 5/2/2023 at 3:34 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Not really, not from what I'm seeing anyway.
Ok so its not worth extra?
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Is speelman white a rare signature combo and is it worth more?
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On 4/11/2023 at 11:55 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
Could go either way, but I'm sticking at 20.
Is speelman white a rare signature combo for this bill?
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On 4/11/2023 at 10:30 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:
If the edges were good then there is a good chance that it won't go lower, maybe higher to a 25. My guess is still 20 but it's impossible to say without seeing the note in person, even then there is a human factor, one person might say 20 the other 25, part of the reason at least two people have to look at a note. A third, I think, if there is a discrepancy between the first two grades. At any rate the note is gone.
They weren’t torn but they were wrinkled, folded, and soiled really bad. Do you think its closer to a 15 or 25?
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On 4/10/2023 at 6:28 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:
My guess would be lower but you never know. Going off of pics is never as good as having the note in hand.
The note was fine around the edges no tears and I’m pretty sure it was not pressed down. Do you still think lower?
Does this count as a net grade?
in US and World Notes
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Ok I just was looking through their auction archives and one got a net grade for “Foreign substance” doesn't mine have a foreign substance? Also I called the place I sold it to they said they’re hoping for it to grade a VF-XF. Theres no way that thing grades even a 30 because the 30’s are all way better than mine right?