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Just 4 off from a radar. I'd bid it up to about $10 if it were at auction. Nice they gave it a grade.

Finally, here's that sample. Sorry it took so long.

I'll redouble my efforts :-) What happens with 5 likes? Do you get a badge? Like a steamin' pile o' sheckels? Anybody know how many PMG note holder types that PMG has used in the past 15 years? I just know of 2--the current holder and the one before that one.

Another week down; notes still stuck in Received. Here's one of my small size NBNs waiting to be graded.

Now I want a descending pairs SN :-)

Kelly's 6th edition of national bank notes is a good entry level book on populations. It's about 60-70 dollars. Maybe you can find one used. The census data is dated, but it doesn't change that much. Track and Price subscription which is a yearly charge gets you auction prices and updated census data, but you miss out on data elements like treasury serial numbers. Maybe the NBN census is the top of the line--not sure what the subscription is but I know they take paypal :-) I just have Kelly--census comes on a CD. So for example, the Security NB of Dallas shows 12 other $10 PBs not including David's with a number of CUs available. Looks like it didn't issue any Smalls. So not a ton of notes for the Big D, but not a though note to find. For Bryan, TX (3446), I show 18 Lg, 23 Sm. and the database shows 3 other $20 PBs (and one DB), not including my note (in my TX set, link posted above).

I definitely will post the note in its new holder. It will be like Christmas Day/BDay/Return from Overseas assignment Day combined when my notes arrive home safely! I'd be OK with a F15 grade. Not going to be a lot of points, but it would be hard to beat all the things this note has going for it. The folks in Western PA got a lot of use out this $10. I was a bit reluctant to give my grade, but I'm comforted by the fact that no one from PMG seems to read these journals--and I kinda trust their grading process.

I just sent a good chunk of my NBNs to PMG to grade. The post office sure took it's time, but got my package there in 8 days instead of 4. PMG listed as received about a week after it arrived in Sarasota. Here's one of the notes awaiting scrutiny. I can't wait to add it to one of my series of 1882 collections here. Connellsville, PA The First NB (E)2329 Radar Treasury SN on a $10 1882 VB Fr. 576 Tillman | Morgan SN 9076/T493394 pp F/118. Love that SN especially on an early value back. Chartered 4/8/1876, Liquidated 6/22/1928. Assumed circulation of 4861, Yough NB of Connellsville which liquidated in 3/3/1913. Bank officers' signatures are from (Geo W.) Stauffer, Cashier and E.T. Norton stamped in blue ink and remain legible, albeit light, to this day. For 52 years, 3x10-20 sheets only and only a 193 of them VBs (SN 9001-9193). Finding the $20 VB to go along with my $10 would be an awesome score!

Good eye, hard to beat that for a 65EPQ. That should be about $200 on an Heritage auction; $500 on a LK auction :-) The upcoming HA Dallas auction is starting to post pics. It's got a ton of Texas notes!!

I've had that note on Bryan, TX for quite some time--5 years. Five years ago is about when I really got into nationals and I've bought next to no coins since. It's in my first name signature set too (along with Victoria and Clarksville, TX of course). Seems like I only buy banks from towns that are first names on Texas. I had PMG certify it about 2 years ago and was happy with the VF 25. No EPQ for Bryan :-( I didn't know where Bryan was... We could always do a trade one day. I've been close to Victoria driving to S. Padre Isl. My collecting goals are shifting more towards series of 1882 and if I can afford them original series notes. Fancy SNs have been an interest for decades--I've never found one in circulation. But I looked! I have about 2 dozen with 5 digits and a few more if you count 4 or less digits--on large size nationals. About a dozen are in Sarasota for grading right now. The Dallas note has the eye appeal. Interesting 'flag' or pennant above the President's signature.Looks like JE Waggoner maybe. Good name for a Texan. Glad the paper got you an EPQ--those are nice and I like to get $20s when I can... I wonder why PMG went with scales for their newly designed holders? What do scales have to do with paper currency? Something like Electricity riding an eagle, maybe more appropriately covered with a draped flag, from a $10 Series of 1882 would have been nice. Probably wouldn't go over as well in Asia though, not with the flag anyway.

In keeping with the Texas theme here, I'll share my series of 1902 TX set in it's current state (which would be more like Delaware in Size than Texas). I do have a Houston, TX The First NB Ch. # (S)1644 $10PB on the way to PMG. Basically it needs PMG to give it a grade about 3 levels too high for it to displace my PMG 30 Victoria NB $10 PB, but the numbers are just cool... 220361/X16961 pp Q/111

I won a sample note from PMG back when they ran a trivia contest for members (yes, those were the good 'ole days). It was a Malaysia, Bank Negara Pick #51 1 Ringgit ND (2012) PMG Unc Sample PMG Collectors Society Trivia Contest SN AG6140428 PMG 1528092-028 Sign. Z.A. Aziz, - Polymer Note I don't have a pic to post (Sorry), but it's at least one generation removed from the current PMG holder. It is the only sample holder in my collection. If there's a massive groundswell of demand (i.e. 5 likes on this post ought to represent a groundswell around here), I'll dig it out and post a pic.

Zowie! That's absurd. Wait for the Kagins auction and it might start more reasonably. Nice Richmond DB. My VA set is in sad shape.

V697873 was the last Treasury SN used on a Value Back; in this case the bank receiving that sheet wasn't recorded by Huntoon. Your note is rather low in the V numbers, so likely it was sent off to Port Arthur late in 1919, or maybe 1920 before the need for the First to renew its charter and issue Plain Back of series 1902 (my wife would like the charter date as it's her birthday--guess I should like it too :-). With only T U and V used for 10-10-10-20 Series of 1882 Value Backs, it's surprising how under appreciated TEN is on the back of a note when compared to the Date Backs and Brown Backs of series 1882 Nationals. Sadly, I don't have any Arthurs in my First name signature set. I'll keep my eye out for that $20 VB!

Pretty sure The Hanover NB was 1st. I know because of this note in Heritage's archive: $10 Red Seal, F-VF SN 5497/A5497 pp F/2. I know (for sure) it's from a 4x$10 sheet because the font on the serial number is the new font introduced in 1903. If it was from a 3x10-20 sheet it would be the old font for SN A5497. Then since the bank SN 5497 = the treasure SN A5497, its from the first run. I don't think any treasury SN exist without the prefix letter. A prefix ought to be the first run. For 3x10-20 sheets, it wasn't until treasury SN B241777 that the new paging machine was used with the new font sometime in 1903. It would be good to know if the Hanover only had plate letters A-C for their 3x10-20 sheets and D-G for their 4x$10 sheets--I suspect so, but I could be surprised.

Seems more engravers did not cross their ts then did. Could be the style taught at that time, I don't know. I got Cs in penmanship. So I was lazy last time and didn't look at Heritage and the answer is there with only 3 $10 red seals on The Hanover NB (including yours) archived. All three are from 4x$10 plates. Here are the SNs plate letters and back plate numbers: F-VF 5497/A5497 pp F/2 PMG 30 SN 18309/A390378 pp G/9 PMG 25 SN 22418/A396987 pp D/1 Since a note from a 4x$10 plate (first use was in 1906) has a bp number 1, they obviously started at 1 despite having used bp 1 on 3x$10-$20 sheets a few years earlier. Face Plates D, E, F, and G were made (only missing an example of the E in the archive) The odd thing is bp 1 showing up on SN 396987! They got a lot of use out of that back plate!! The best note is the one with the bank SN = treasury SN which proves The Hanover was the first bank to order sheets of 4x$10s [I'm surprised Heritage did not note that]. That's quite a large order. 5497 X 4 X $10 = $219,880 (at least). Maybe you could check T&P and see if there are any more $10s there (only T&P doesn't record treasury SNs ). So need another source of data... oh well. I guess I should join in on LK auctions. I never have.

Oh goodness, not sure that's good with the shill bidding plus notes that aren't quite as expected. I know of some shenanigans with certain ebay sellers. In the past it was much easier to see because you could find out the ebay ID of your competition--it's blocked now. I once did a 'buy it now' only to have the seller return my payment with item 'no longer in stock.' I thought I lost that one. However, I won the exact same note (same PMG holder) a few weeks later on a Heritage auction and paid just a few dollars more than my eBay purchase price. After commission, the seller lost more than I, but Heritage did well. Not shill bidding, but not a good practice to have a note on ebay that's consigned at auction elsewhere. I've actually gotten some good deals from that seller just recently on eBay.

Yes, more! Thank you! I had no idea coin sets to note sets was ~16 : 1. It's about 2:1 for me. I know NGC is giving lots of free grading away for top sets. I'd like some of that from PMG. I'm not sure the folks with the top sets on NGC really need free grading...??? And now I'm wondering how I get a look at Sheik's small size nationals collection? Think about 10 bucks in the '30s. My dad would hitch a goat up to a cart and with a buddy (whose father owned the grocery store) cart sodas and ice cream to road construction workers and sell them for a nickel. Yep, they had a refrigerated goat cart (OK, ice box on cart with goat (une chevre)). They got to eat the ice cream that didn't sell. Hmmm, I never asked him if he got liberty or shield nickels along with buffalo nickels in the Depression. Probably got 5 beat up 'pennies'. So do you focus on Texas or the Southwest for those ty. 1 $10s?? Is there a link to a signature set you could share??? Did you know your Knoxville Ch. 10401 note was a PMG top pop for that Fr. #596? Too bad no extra points for rarity of the bank nor Fr. # for that #1 1902 type set of yours. Over on NGC that would be like a semi-key 1908-S Indian Cent getting the same points as a 1908--coin collectors would scream! [you scream, I scream we all scream for ice cream] I've rambled on enough. Here's my signature set of 1902 Nationals by Fr. #. That's got to be an easy set to add for PMG followed by the series of 1882 and then Originals and then all Large NBNs by Fr. #.

I think there's demand for a lot more. There was on the PCGS registry when it was running. The problem is if you look at the chat boards, what you find is new user questions mostly. If you look at responses to journal entries, well there's little. People are busy and don't take the time to fuss (unlike me). You have to log in a 2d time to comment (or give me a sad face, confused face, haha face, or a trophy-like). Not worth the effort to put something out there. So, if you look at https://www.pmgnotes.com/registry/, the banner says "The Ultimate Destination for Currency Collectors". Not true when PCGS Currency Registry was around--it was better . Truer now that PCGS Currency is no longer (and I'm glad I adopted PMG more so than PCGS, but I have both). Will the ANA have a currency registry like the coin side of the business? Anyhow, the "ultimate destination" would have already built out much more not just for nationals (I dabble in Canadian notes too and Canadian Charter bank notes). More sets or change "ultimate destination" TO "mildly interesting destination" or "kinda boring, but we got no competition for now destination". Oh, I need to mention another PCGS favorite of mine, the back plate number (bp). PCGS recorded it (and occasionally they got it wrong). If you pay $12 to $?? to have your note certified, you'd think the bp number would be noticed and added to the description of the note. It ought to help verify authenticity. PMG records bp #s on mules and the errors involving the bp #, but that's it. Why not record bp #s from now on especially with the new look holders?

The easiest new set to implement has to be Large Size Nationals by Fr. #. This info is already in the PMG database. Sets for Originals, Series of 1875, 1882, and 1902 by Fr. # come to mind. The old PCGS registry had sets for States and State Capital sets, large and small. That's likely harder to implement as I think all that PMG has data-based is the charter number, so a lookup table by charter number likely is required to get to the bank info (i.e. state and city). An A-Z Town name set would be nice. Oh right, a lowball set could be interesting.

That Knoxville, TN $20 note is a radar bank serial number and the charter number 10401 is a radar too! Sheik has a date back on that charter which is a very tough Fr. # (well, it's just the top pop for an Fr. 596). For some reason he won't sell it to me cheap :-)

I know a lot more about Zimbabwe because of your collection--they are beautiful notes. Thanks for the reply!!

OK, I'm bored with 20 odd 'series of 1902 type' sets for my Nationals. I've asked for some more sets, but the response was 'no sets for you...' So, bored as I might be, I created my Series of 1902 Lowball Set. Check it out: See if you can get lower than my score of 1082 for 3 notes, or an average of 360.67 pts/note. You know the sad thing is my Tennessee set beats my Lowball set with 3 notes, 763 pts and an ave. of 254.33 pts/note, but that's because of net grades receiving just half point values. See some awesome TN notes here: Reply with a link to your best of the worst--notes that did their service and then some! And then you had the courage (and spare cash) to sent them to PMG for grading. Please have at least one note preferably with a picture. I'm not sure Net graded notes are fair in Lowball sets?? What do you think? Would you like to see some more competitive sets for Nationals? I know I would!

Imagine grading the Bebee collection down in Sarasota! That would have been fun. I'd be the one stuck grading 10,000 consecutive 2019 $1 notes courtesy signed by Pelosi and Trump... ugh. One question I have (Q1) is if the BP #s for $10 4x$10 sheets started at 1 to n and if the 3x$10-$20 sheets did the same. Thus my check above on the Philly and Marietta bank's choice--both ordered only the 3x$10-$20 format, so no answer there. Then the question (Q2) is how much variation is there on a sheet (limited by the number of sheets to examine). Your New York, NY The Hanover NB $10 RS is interesting since the Hanover issued both formats. I can't quite make out the bp number (why doesn't PMG record BPs?). I think it's a 6 or 9; definitely 1 digit. So, that's likely from 1906 or 1907 as the 4x$10 format was first produced in 1906. So the task is to search archives for other $10 RS from The Hanover and find the same 6 or 9 bp. Based on the treasury SN, you can tell what format the note came from. And we might learn Q1 above. I probably should spend my time looking for engraving errors like the pcblic error on Woodchopper notes :-( That's a tough one to see.

I found an odd block letter combo on the treasury serial number when compared to the back plate number and Fr. number for my Paris, AR The First NB Ch. # (S)11592 PMG 20 $10 1902 PB Fr. 633 SN 2200/U55355 pp B/96 dated Jan. 20, 1920. That BP # could be a 98, but definitely just two digits. The back plate number and U- Block SN seemed way too low for a Fr. 633 plain back. Of my other Eliott | Burke notes, the lowest BP was 651 with an RE Block combo. So I checked my Kelly reference for Arkansas banks that issued 4x$10 sheets and sure enough, Paris was one of a baker's dozen that shunned the $20 that came with the 3x$10-$20 sheets. The key is that serial numbers for sheets of 4-$10s were run separately from sheets of 3x$10-$20 and apparently sheets of backs were similarly lower in number than their heterogeneous counterparts. With less banks issuing the 4X$10s the Block Letter seems to have advanced much more slowly. Notably, the 10-10-10-10 plate combination was introduced for Brown backs and red Seals in 1906. I guess there was demand from those with a dislike of Hugh McCulloch? To see my competitive set of Arkansas notes (I have three notes on two banks), see: My other note is a Newark, AR The First NB Ch. # (S)9022 PMG 25 $10 1902 DB Fr. 618 SN 1334/N84247 pp H/51 dated Jan. 25, 1908. BP of 51 is rather low for an Fr. 618 and is indicative of the bank choosing the 4x$10 option (See #12 below). To see my Series of 1902 Date Backs and Plain Backs that features block letters and BP numbers, check out my signature set here: You can see the notes in the gallery, but go to set listing to easily see the Block combo vs. BP number. Below are the Arkansas banks that chose sheets of 4x$10; I didn't find any that issued Brown Backs (or series 1882 DB or VB) in this format--not many issued brown backs period. Surprisingly, of those that did issue brown backs, many issued $50s and $100s only. Maxfield 8864 RS DB FNB Clarksville 9633 DB PB FNB Earle 9324 DB American NB of Fort Smith 3634 RS DB PB City NB of Fort Smith 10609 DB PB City NB of Greenwood 10983 PB of 1st AND 2d title Hope NB 8594 RS DB PB City NB of Hope 10579 DB PB FNB Lake Village 11262 PB FNB Marshall 10794 PB FNB Morrilton 10434 DB PB FNB Newark 9022 RS DB PB FNB Paris 11592 PB *RS=Red Seal, DB=Date Back, PB = Plain Back all series 1902 **Don't worry, I'm not doing this for the rest of the states. Hey PMG, please start tracking and annotating black plates! Just my